From: Michael Bevilacqua Date: 15:33 on 02 Mar 2008 Subject: Uncontrollable Tool Tips ------=_Part_32351_17692330.1204472010273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tool Tips are quite possibly the most annoying feature of software today. They constantly get in the way of what I'm reading or trying to read. They are distracting. And most of the time, there is no way to disable them. Sometimes they don't even get out of the way and then overlap other windowed applications when switching focus. Or, like the following example, pop up information onto the screen that is exactly what I have already read and then block the next link down. http://bevilacqua.us/ljpics/HateToolTips.jpg Of course, my favorite is still the Tool Tips that tell you the X button at the top right closes a windowed application. I think even single-celled life on the bottom of the ocean knows this by now. Redundant? Yes. Useless? Most of the time. Annoying? Terribly. TGF Window Managers that don't incorporate this feature and applications that let you disable them.
From: Chris Devers Date: 02:51 on 03 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Uncontrollable Tool Tips On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Michael Bevilacqua wrote: > Tool Tips are quite possibly the most annoying feature of software today. Best exemplified, of course, by Windows toolbar task tray tooltips. "Hey, you plugged something in! Click here!" "Hey, it turns out you plugged in a USB device! Click here!" "Why, this USB device turns out to be a hard drive! Click here!" "Hey, if you want to use the new drive, you can now! Click here!" Every. Damn. Time. Who the hell thinks software really should work this way?
From: David Mackintosh
Date: 05:04 on 03 Mar 2008
Subject: Re: Uncontrollable Tool Tips
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On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:51:52PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Michael Bevilacqua wrote:
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> "Hey, you plugged something in! Click here!"
> "Hey, it turns out you plugged in a USB device! Click here!"
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> "Hey, if you want to use the new drive, you can now! Click here!"
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> Every. Damn. Time.=20
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> Who the hell thinks software really should work this way?
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And KDE writers used to agree -- just starting up a Konsole would
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out a ton of useless noise when a gnat in Lower Tunisia contemplates
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From: Joshua Juran Date: 05:31 on 03 Mar 2008 Subject: Console spew (Re: Uncontrollable Tool Tips) On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:04 PM, David Mackintosh wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:51:52PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: >> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Michael Bevilacqua wrote: >> >>> Tool Tips are quite possibly the most annoying feature of >>> software today. >> >> Best exemplified, of course, by Windows toolbar task tray tooltips. >> >> "Hey, you plugged something in! Click here!" >> "Hey, it turns out you plugged in a USB device! Click here!" >> "Why, this USB device turns out to be a hard drive! Click here!" >> "Hey, if you want to use the new drive, you can now! Click here!" >> >> Every. Damn. Time. >> >> Who the hell thinks software really should work this way? > > Well I do, but only because I can figure out what stage failed to > work when it inevitably fails to work. > > Linux kernel writers seem to agree, judging from the reams and reams > and reams of noise that your typical linux computer spits out when > booting. > > And KDE writers used to agree -- just starting up a Konsole would > generate a ton of messages which no one ever read. > > Neither of which are tool tips, but exemplify the spirit of dumping > out a ton of useless noise when a gnat in Lower Tunisia contemplates > scratching its ass. I got Linux working with my AirPort card only to be meticulously informed each and every time any access point appeared or disappeared. But does it just quietly fill up log files? Oh, no, nothing as benign as that. It dumps out a message to the current virtual console. You know, the one you're trying to work in. "Hey, linksys is here!" "Hey, NETGEAR is here too!" "Oops, linksys is gone!" "What do you know, NETGEAR is also gone, but now linksys is back!" Just like popups for ttys. Except worse. $ Hey, FooBarBaz is here! I. DON'T. CARE. LEAVE. ME. ALONE. SHUT. THE F***. UP. Josh
From: Chris Devers Date: 12:35 on 03 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Uncontrollable Tool Tips On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, David Mackintosh wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 09:51:52PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Michael Bevilacqua wrote: > > > > > Tool Tips are quite possibly the most annoying feature of software today. > > > > Best exemplified, of course, by Windows toolbar task tray tooltips. > > > > "Hey, you plugged something in! Click here!" > > "Hey, it turns out you plugged in a USB device! Click here!" > > "Why, this USB device turns out to be a hard drive! Click here!" > > "Hey, if you want to use the new drive, you can now! Click here!" > > > > Every. Damn. Time. > > > > Who the hell thinks software really should work this way? > > Well I do, but only because I can figure out what stage failed to > work when it inevitably fails to work. I think this is wrong. The stages should end up in an easily accessible log file, so that if things do go wrong, and you're trying to fix it, you know where to look. It shouldn't be polluting the UI half a dozen times every time you plug in a USB flash drive, hard drive, etc. Just once, if even that many times, should be more than enough.
From: Aaron J. Grier Date: 23:13 on 03 Mar 2008 Subject: boot spew (was Re: Uncontrollable Tool Tips) On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 12:04:24AM -0500, David Mackintosh wrote: > > Who the hell thinks software really should work this way? > > Well I do, but only because I can figure out what stage failed to work > when it inevitably fails to work. > > Linux kernel writers seem to agree, judging from the reams and reams > and reams of noise that your typical linux computer spits out when > booting. the noise doesn't bother me as much as the formatting inconsistency. the bootup is difficult to parse, either manually or with a machine. BSD (and friends) do much better in this area. foo0 at bar0: some comment here foo0: more information about device foo vs this appears to be a foo putting workarounds in place for subtype foo since it is yukky message about foo that doesn't even have the string "foo" on the line
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